MAHESH YOGI, SPIRITUAL GURU AND AUTHOR:
I feel ...
people begin to call -- significant of
of the word," Maharishi ";
great and "rishi" is a seer.
seer ... of reality. The "seer", that's what
called; and it became a sort of name.
KING: What is transcendental meditation?
MAHARISHI: Transcendental meditation is
that can be defined as a means to do
wants to do in a better way,
a right way, for maximum results.
that the mind begins to experience its
impressions, finer thoughts, and then
transcends the finest thought and get(s)
level of what they call "self-referral
consciousness", which is the ultimate reality
life: pure intelligence ... from where
creation emerges ... from where
administration of life is maintained ...
where physical expression of the
So transcendental meditation brings about
transcendental consciousness, which
consciousness -- the source
of all intelligence.
MAHARISHI: ... that level that
Why does it sound so hard to learn?
I've been teaching transcendental
for 40, 50 years in the world and
who has learned it knows
it is ... how easy it is. Because one's
own consciousness cannot be difficult to anyone.
It's one's own
life. It's one's own intelligence.
difficult at all.
KING: Is there a major first step to take?
I want to learn this completely. What's
first thing, other than getting the re-release
your book, the first thing I should do?
MAHARISHI: Intend to have a better life.
intention to have a more successful life.
better. Create better influence for others
for oneself. Just the desire to be a better
KING: So we begin with the desire, which
very nice; but does this require a change
MAHARISHI: Change of personality will be
good as a result of it. But the intention is:
one is, one makes a plunge into
There is nothing difficult. There is nothing
Only one has to have a desire to
a better quality of life. And for that, one has
much of scientific research now.
of scientific researches, volumes full
volumes there are. (1)
And ... you have mentioned that book,
of Being and Art of Living"; that was
first book that I wrote about 40 years ago.
dozens of books are there. (2)
Hundreds of ... thousands of
are there for the world.
Why have you been ... quiet for
time now? Why have you not -- have we not
MAHARISHI: No, I have been not quiet. Only,
got into creating the "effect". I was teaching
meditation for 30, 40 years,
I found that the world is not yet to the extent
in the field of good.
So I realized that talking about like this ...
realized that talking is not too much important.
the effect in the world. And now I am
creating the effect in the world.
KING: What you have to say is very important.
would hope that from now on, we'll be
more of you.
MAHARISHI: People know enough good;
they are not able to do it because the effect
the influence from outside --
society, other countries, other cultures,
moon, stars, galaxies -- the influence,
many influences from all over the world
the mind of a man, make his intellect
decide this, and this and this ...
So, if people do what they know to be good,
knowledge of good is enough in the world for
to be really happy and really peaceful and
friendly and supportive
KING: Does it also improve you from a health
physical health standpoint?
MAHARISHI: Great amount of
research is there to show that health
better ; because transcendental meditation
consciousness, and consciousness is
basic value of all the physical expressions.
entire creation is the expression
consciousness. So when we handle
-- through our attention --
consciousness becomes awake, more awake.
So ... this transcendental meditation has
effect on health. It's like the gardener
the root of life and supplying
to all the leaves and all the branches
Let me get a break and come right back
Mahesh Yogi on this edition
One of the
great spiritual leaders in the world.
Don't go away.
We're back with Maharishi Mahesh Yogi.
book of years ago -- "Science of Being
of Living: Transcendental Meditation";
the founder of TM -- there has been
a new release
and a newly revised version of
got to know the Maharishi when
Beatles went to visit him. I ... by the way,
I send the best to you from
who I saw last week, who --
I told him I was going to be with you --
wanted to wish you the best.
We know that your good friends,
and John Lennon, are gone.
do you believe happens upon death?
MAHARISHI: The death is just a -- it gives
new start for a new fresh journey.
In the process
of evolution, the body lasts for
and then one takes other body and
takes other body and takes other body ... till
redemption from diversity is transcended.
The totality is found. This is the potential of life,
potential of life: immortality in its field
it in terms of time. Immortality.
Do we know what stage we're in?
Absolutely. From the
astrology point of view; Vedic astrologers --
Jyotishees -- calculate the whole of life
and they calculate the whole of life
This is the field of yagya; and when
find some wrong, negative influence from
moon, star or wherever, they make
Yagya is a name for a Vedic
which can avert the danger. (3)
The Vedic way of life rests on, "Avert the danger
not come." Prevention -- it uses
to prevent problems from
The yagya system is so powerful that
get the yagyas done by the
they find the obstacles don't have
be faced. Sicknesses don't have to be faced.
don't have to faced. One can be
of one's own destiny if one follows
way of life, which is -- life according
natural law, which can prevent disorders.
What about, Maharishi, those who are
of evil who cannot determine
life. They're in a building on
11 ... and they're gone. They couldn't
any determination. TM didn't help them.
MAHARISHI: Everyone has to go ... sometime
the other. And the basic principle about going
is that no one -- now listen to me --
one is responsible for giving any difficulty
Problems or successes, they all are the results of
actions. Karma. The philosophy of action
no one else is the giver of peace
One's own karma, one's own actions
to come, to bring either happiness
success or whatever.
KING: If someone treats me harshly, if
or kills you, or harms a baby ...
was the victim a participant in that other than
the wrong place at the wrong time?
MAHARISHI: He is the carrier of
own influence. "As you sow, so shall you reap"
is a very
old proverb of mankind. As you sow,
shall you reap. Sometime you may have killed
man; and then sometime, now,
on to you.
What we have done, the result
that comes to us whenever it comes: either
hundred years later,
lives later... whatever, whatever.
It's our own karma. That is why that philosophy
religion, "Killing is sin." Killing is sin
every religion. Whosoever sins ...
kills it doesn't matter. It's a sin.
And sin in the will of God is
punishable offense. Because ... when you kill
man, what you are killing? You are killing
potential within the individual.
is cosmic. Individual potential of life
cosmic potential. Individual is divine,
inside; transcendental experience awakens
divinity in man. And when you kill a man,
him of that birthright of his.
It is the right of everyone to rule the world ...
dominate in whole nature of the universe.
of the universe is every man's potential,
-- cosmic potential. When you kill a man
you deprive him from getting to
KING: What a wonderful way to look
MAHARISHI: The human right to live divinity.
KING: Where, Maharishi, were you
I heard about it wherever I was --
remember now. Because I don't look back
time. I have no time to look back. I have always
And now I have come to a level of creating
a world free from problems. There have been
always wars, there have been always this, this.
Negativity, and all that. Throughout world history.
It's not one instance. It's not one instance.
So much of Hitlers were born, so many
Alexanders were born -- all those things --
and so many will continue to be born on earth.
But, now I have come to create a situation
in the world -- through about 40,000 Yogic Flyers
in the world, and Vedic performers:
Yagya in the world -- and
I am collecting them in India. And I invite
everyone to send their donations for this purpose,
which will deprive the world of negative trends
in life. I want to eliminate the basis of problems,
and basis of crime, and basis of terrorism.
That is my message now...
KING: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi is our
special guest on this edition of Larry King Live.
be right back.
Maharishi Mahesh Yogi,
the founder of
the author of
"Science of Being and Art of Living", which
Meditation. That book,
released many years ago, has
been newly revised
How do you deal personally with sadness?
George Harrison just died. I know he was a friend
of yours. How do you deal
when someone you love
or like is gone?
MAHARISHI: It's human nature to like those
whom you like, and when they go it's natural
to be sad about them; but it is inevitable.
When I found transcendental meditation has
done good to so many, so
many, then now
I'm thinking of -- and for
the last two, three years
-- I'm thinking of nations
as a whole ... want to
make the destiny of every
nation to be free
from problems ...
... to be free from suffering
... to be free from sin.
I'm establishing a government in the world which
will disallow the sprouting of negativity
country, in any country. Governments are
today. Absolutely. Every government is
a failure, because problems
exist everywhere --
and every government is sovereign.
The word sovereign is a misnomer.
Their sovereignty lies
in: not able to give
a problem-free administration
to the people.
I'm establishing a problem-free administration
on the basis of the constitution
of the universe. (4)
The constitution of the universe
is total natural law.
"Natural law", we say from
the field of science.
"Will of God", we say
from the field of religion.
It's the same thing.
Natural law administers the infinite diversity of
the universe; and I'm
going to establish
the government on the
this cosmic constitution
of the universe.
Cosmic constitution is a stable constitution.
Manmade constitution requires change every
four years, five years.
Election of the people.
The whole thing
is a fraudulent thing.
Administration is a matter
of expert intelligence ...
KING: But ... but ...
MAHARISHI: It shouldn't be exposed to voters
on the street.
How do you change a system
and nations and people who are
opposed to one
another and presidents and kings
and emperors and dictators
how do you change that?
MAHARISHI: I'll be establishing groups
of people practicing
Yogi Flying, and
Vedic Pundits performing
the yagyas which will
eliminate the negative
influence on life on earth.
This is how ...
plan is to improve the quality of life on
the world by minimizing the negative influences
from the sun, moon,
stars, and from everywhere.
So those groups we'll
we'll be establishing
groups in every country.
I have already this, our organization teaching TM
in all the countries,
and all the governments like it
because it helps a better
quality of life. Only,
we have to concentrate
now with the help
of each government;
because no government
wants chaos and problems and difficulties
and crime in the country.
is a very good thing.
But because every government is governed by
manmade constitutions; and manmade constitutions
of human weaknesses and human failings.
That is why I'm adopting the constitution of the
universe, which is the Will of God: high above
everything -- merciful
nature of God, total value
of natural law, which
is profusely narrated and
detailed in the Vedic literature, ancient Vedic
literature, with all this total knowledge of natural
law; and the programs to eliminate any difficulty
or problem that may be coming from anywhere. (6)
We don't allow the problems. We create
protect ourselves. That is
the Vedic way of
KING: Do you believe in perfection?
MAHARISHI: I am bringing
perfection in life.
It's not a matter
of belief. I have the positive
program and the
concrete program to create
I want to create every government to be free
Military is a defeatist feature
of a government.
Government is not able
the nation and therefore they engage
give them food, "that you will die
for other people."
whole thing is absurd and inhuman.
I want to
create a global government.
government. I have created a global
of world peace where no one would
where no one would do any wrong
anyone. The government will not need
to protect itself.
the principle is that any military is
big sinner. And the sin must come to
whole population ...
KING: We'll take a break and come right
KING: We're back with Maharishi Mahesh Yogi.
How can you be so optimistic
based on all
the things you see wrong in the world?
MAHARISHI: Optimism comes from
scientific researches to prove that
meditation -- which I have taught
50 years in the world -- works to create
[Iowa], we have that management
university [Maharishi University of
and the professors of
university have found that
the world is being managed badly. Governments
competent to prevent problems; and,
intelligence is needed to enrich
and support the present
of every government.
government, as I said, already has
a manmade constitution.
constitution has the
value of human failings
and human weaknesses.
That is why constitutions
are there and the government
is there, and
the people are there,
and the laws are there: but
those laws are futile. They are not able
to prevent wrong.
The corruption has been there ... crime has been
the ages. Punishment has been
there by government throughout the ages. But
punishment and fear of death, hanging them
in the jails and
all that -- that has been there.
But ... crime continues.
something else has to be done.
And that something
else I am going to do from
the level of the
Vedic wisdom of life, which
proclaims, "man is
divine, man is all competent."
Human potential is universal
concept of government has to be raised to
that merciful fatherly
treatment of the population
by the governments.
Do you weep -- do you cry when someone
MAHARISHI: There is no reason to cry,
because I know everyone
has to go on and on,
on the path of
progress ... path of progress ...
path of progress. There
is nothing to cry
the sun sets in the end of the day,
one doesn't cry for the sun. It's happening,
The same sun that is setting is
going to rise again,
and again set, and again rise,
and again set. So one
knows the progression
Now I am working on the
possibility of collective
destiny of the nation
towards all good.
KING: What do you make of all the modern
conveniences? What do
you make of television?
MAHARISHI: I'm using the television to have
my message reach the
...and that is
KING: So you accept that progress goes on.
Life gets better. We extend life.
All that is good, is it not?
MAHARISHI: Right, right. Anything that
is helpful to life, anything that will save life
from pains and suffering and all those difficulties,
that is -- that is our intention,
a better world created.
And for that, I
am now working from
the administrative level. I'm creating an ideal
of administration where people will not make
mistakes. And when they don't make mistakes,
they don't create the reason for suffering
The people should be saved
from sinning, from
killing each other; from this. This is
"Help thy neighbor" is a very old axiom
of mankind. Help thy neighbor.
The Golden Rule -- "Do unto others as
you would have them do unto you" -- is probably
the only law you need. Every other law fits it.
Why has mankind never done -- I mean, what
you say makes sense, but mankind has never
done it; never.
man is told he is divine, he is
then he is trained to have
his thought come
to materialization without
much effort... everyone
would go for it.
It's the education...
it's the education.
If a man is a criminal, that is the defective
that he has been raised in. It's
administration -- cruel administration
the real potential of life, which is --
in the Will of
God -- evolution, evolution, evolution.
KING: What part in all of this, Maharishi, does
[ ... ]
MAHARISHI: I lack only
one billion to make
world, better world.
So many months ago, I had publicized in the
papers that $1 billion endowment fund
raise enough, this Vedic Pundits to fly about.
want to engage 40,000 people on
permanent basis; and they will have enough
influence of coherency
the world consciousness. And anybody who
to have peace -- and everyone wants peace
-- they were invited to donate.
But I realized later that I was talking to
country, in their own fog,
they get something privately themselves
not indulge into it.
So money has become
prominent in a world
That I realized when
sponsored for world peace, and everybody
world peace; but they will not ...
KING: ... take part.
... with some of their huge billions
in the bank. And so I said, "All
KING: Let me get a break and we'll come
We have two more segments left
His original book, "Science of Being and
of Living - Transcendental Meditation"
the founder of that movement -- has just
been republished and newly revised and updated.
We'll be right back.
back with Maharishi Mahesh Yogi.
coming to us from Vlodrop, Holland.
is ... what is ... Yogic flying?
MAHARISHI: Yogic flying is that level
intelligence in the self-referral
that will materialize the intention.
the intention, materialize the intention. (7)
is this thing? This is the same
intelligence from natural law that makes
universe float in the empty space.
Every galaxy's huge weight
-- galaxy. They are
in empty space. What is that? It is
intelligence -- at the level
intelligence -- when pure intelligence
in its self-referral
unified state assumes the role
of waves ... like that, like that,
So the same
law of nature is captured in
transcendental field of one's consciousness.
then with the thought that,
be in the air", the body lifts up,
KING: Are you saying, then, that man
capable of everything -- man could fly
obtained this consciousness?
MAHARISHI: That has been proved
how many times? -- as many times as people
flying. Four, five million people are flying
private values. Now we want to have
groups. And bigger groups have been
to create that worldwide influence. They
the whole world consciousness,
positivity, towards harmony, towards
of intelligence. (8)
That is why we have the proof: we have enough
the Vedic literature. And we have enough
from the modern science that our teaching
that influence which will create a better world
a positive world, a harmonious world.
That is why we want to have a global
of natural law. We will not disturb
existing administration by manmade laws
in any country.
We are creating
our own government
which is utilizing natural law
have from modern science, and which
for effective Vedic science.
So we have enough ammunition to win the race.
KING: How do they learn more about this?
buy the book, and the revised update
it. Is there someplace they can contact direct
get more information.
MAHARISHI: I have hundreds of centers
you believe in a god?
MAHARISHI: I believe in God. And I believe
in the custody
of God vested in kings. And I'm
to have your name as King.
He's a King!
KING: I'm a King.
MAHARISHI: I want to establish a government
in every country that will
in the country. This drama of four years,
years ... change the government, change
is only useful to
This thing, democracy -- I used to say,
the democracy!"; because it's not
stable government. It's only useful for foreign
It's a bad thing for any nation to change
... a man comes for four years; now he is
president. And then he goes to jail tomorrow
Such inadequacy in the field of administration
create a very chaotic population
every country; and that is the situation
field of education is very inadequate.
doesn't make the human physiology totally
The medicine -- the field of medicine
very poisonous. It's full of inadequacies,
full of those, what you call, all these negative
the side effects of modern medicine
KING: Yeah, but ...
... huge! I have in my room the whole
of a floor full of about 8 or 10 thousand
articles on modern medicine. (9)
modern medicine continues, continues.
Those who are producing medicine, they
producing because they get money.
doesn't matter if people die or suffer from
diseases. And the governments
government, in this -- I was hearing --
subject to so much of corruption! All this is
life is not taught to the boys
in the younger
age. Education is very,
whole drama of science is a big fraud,
Hiroshima was created in
name of science. Peace cannot be created
in the name of
science. No. Hiroshima can
Afghanistan can be created.
And now Middle East can be created.
"science"! The whole thing is fraud.
whole field is sinful. And those who will get
that come to that realization:
killing is sin." Whosoever kills, it is sin;
sinner will go to hell.
KING: We'll take
a break and come back with our
remaining moments with Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, right
after these words.
our remaining moments with
Mahesh Yogi, let's talk about yourself.
you have a family?
MAHARISHI: The world is my family.
KING: You have no children of your own?
MAHARISHI: That's what a family
you are all the children
of the world.
I know, but I'm just asking
if you have children ... [...]
MAHARISHI: I am a single person.
I'm a Purusha.
I'm a -- what you call it? --
if you understand the word. I'm a monk.
You're a bachelor. Do you have
that you eat?
MAHARISHI: I think that a diet that I eat,
may eat the same thing -- some rice,
some chapattis, something vegetable ...
but I like
this organic, organic. I recommend
organic agriculture --
organic agriculture. Huge amount
research has shown that with
hymns, with the Vedic melodies,
nutrients grow in the trees very much --
the fruits, in the crops, in the vegetables. (10)
So that is what I am promoting in the world.
How old are you?
MAHARISHI: I have
almost forgotten when I
was born. I was told before.
MAHARISHI: I never look
back -- in my habits,
looked back. I never looked back.
KING: Are you
in good health?
MAHARISHI: I am in fairly good health. Yes,
KING: Do you go to doctors?
The doctors come to me even
them. They like to see me
after year, the same way ... like that,
But the main thing
is not so important what I am.
What is important
is: my program for the world --
world will be a better world. It will be
sin. Governments will be preventive
in the world.
is important. I'm not
important for the world.
here for some time, gone. And everyone
finish the whole story.
But I have promoted
program which is practical,
for every individual
did you learn it?
MAHARISHI: I learned it from my master.
address him as His Divinity,
Brahmananda Saraswati, in the Himalayas
India. And that I hold to be the tradition
And that I came to teach in the world, and, I felt,
results on the individual; and now I am
to have a successful result on the basis
-- nations. National governments
whatever they are now -- I think
groping in darkness. And I have a lamp.
I put the
lamp; and the light from the lamp
all their darknesses.
My nature is not to fight. I give the message.
I give the
experience; and people take it,
people take it. And now,
I have created a government; and created
head of this government a great scientist
Raja Raam. He is M.D., Ph.D.
He has researched in the human physiology
the whole human physiology is the expression
the underlying field of consciousness,
way as physics has discovered
quantum field as the field
On that basis of the realization of the discovery
the ultimate field, I'm going to create
profundity of perfection which belongs to
perfection of the government of nature.
KING: Maharishi Mahesh
Holland. His book has been newly
and updated -- the version of the original
many years ago --
"Science of Being and Art of Living:
Optimistic? You bet.
Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. Good night.